Clans and septs

[Duthill]

Originally Posted by aluminati

They are not legal "entities" I am unfamiliar with any relevant scots legislation that desrcibes them as legal entities.

"So according to you , no clan and tartan were linked until 1837 or later .
Try doing some research on the topic ."

Show me your research ?

"It may be that you do not belong to one , or that you have been cast out of one "

I do not know any scot that belongs to a "clan"

"that does not mean that they do not exist in the modern world . "

The only clans I am aware of are full of americans. Usually they meet up once a year and play the bagpipes

Why would Clan associations around the world be subject to Scots legislation ?

Familiarize yourself with more clan associations and societies , and their activities .
You may even find that some of them , even the American ones , don't play the bagpipes at all.

Don't be lazy , do your own research into clans and tartans .
Everyone else does , those who have the intelligence that is .

[aluminati]

"Why would Clan associations around the world be subject to Scots legislation"

They wouldnt thats my point, hence they are not legal entities

"Familiarize yourself with more clan associations and societies , and their activities .
You may even find that some of them , even the American ones , don't play the bagpipes at all."

They are a social club for people with the same last name.

"Don't be lazy , do your own research into clans and tartans"

I have; its a victorian invention

"those who have the intelligence that is "

I wont be conversing with you again

[ScotSites]

Am I missing the point here or has this topic just been started to cause a bit more disruption on the forum?

First of all, the clan system is different now to what it used to be; there are still people throughout Scotland that consider themselves to be part of a clan even if they don't belong to a clan association or follow a clan chief... but they still consider themselves to be part of that clan even if they don't openly discuss it with everyone that they come in to contact with!

Secondly, some of the septs that are associated to some clans might be a bit dubious, but surely its up to those that control this sort of thing (whether its the clan chief or the association or whatever) to decide whether a name becomes a sept or not!

As for the clan tartans, most of these are a later (as in 18th century) invention, but, again, surely its up to the clan (chief/association/whatever) to decide which tartans they want to use. Likewise if someone wants to wear a tartan because they like it (irrespective of whether it or even they are associated with a clan) then that is up to them... despite what some might think, the tartan police don't actually exist!

Anyway, as I said at the start of this post, is there a reason this topic has been started other than to discuss the title of the topic?

[aluminati]

The purpose of the topic is to discuss fallacies in scots culture.

I personally have never met a scot who consider themselves part of a clan; as for tartans I and my friends have always worn tartans we like the look of, as opposed to wearing them because of some mythical clan connection

[ScotSites]

Originally Posted by aluminati

The purpose of the topic is to discuss fallacies in scots culture.

So why not make that clear from the first post? And do you really need to resort to insults... or is that the only way you'll be able to get your point across? Kinda reminds me of someone else on this forum who also happened to be a student!

Anyway, to continue:

The fact you've never met a scot who consider themselves part of a clan might simply be due to the fact that those you have met are not part of a clan... not everyone that has ever lived in Scotland was, no matter how Scottish they are!

I and my friends have always worn tartans we like the look of...

That's good for you and your friends, but you have to accept that others wear a tartan because they believe it is part of their clan heritage... and despite what you might think, not all connections to a clan are mythical!

[aluminati]

I have not initiated any insults on thios foruym, I replied to some obnoxious so and so, who had the audacity to question my intelligence.

as for clan "heritage", its a false heritage

[Duthill]

Originally Posted by aluminati

"Why would Clan associations around the world be subject to Scots legislation"

They wouldnt thats my point, hence they are not legal entities

"Familiarize yourself with more clan associations and societies , and their activities .
You may even find that some of them , even the American ones , don't play the bagpipes at all."

They are a social club for people with the same last name.

"Don't be lazy , do your own research into clans and tartans"

I have; its a victorian invention

"those who have the intelligence that is "

I wont be conversing with you again ARSEHOLE

And there we have it .


aluminati ,
too stupid to debate
nowhere near bright enough to lie convincingly
not intelligent enough to think of an original comeback line

aluminati is it , aluminati of what ? the dunce's chair ......