Scottishness and identity

[ScotSites]

Originally Posted by Hugh2

Note how often ignorance rules in this English colony called Scotland!

Originally Posted by Hugh2

... perhaps you are a typical Anglo-Scot.

Are you one of those idiots that think you can only be Scottish if you can speak Gaelic?

Originally Posted by Hugh2

The genuine Scottish language is Gaelic.

We'll take that as a "yes" shall we? Maybe you're the troll formerly known as Raingeanach... you certainly appear to be as clueless about Scotland as he was!

[Hugh2]

ScotSites -

What are you on about?
Did you or did you not write the following in "Scotland from the Roadside - a journey round Scotland"?

"...on to the remoteness of Argyll, where the early settlers from Ireland, known to the Romans as the Scotti, ultimately gave Scotland its name, and into the Highlands which to many defines Scotland: the Highlanders with their clans living in their glens with a culture and language so different to their lowland cousins!" Yes or no? If not, who did?

The language called Scots today is really the remnants of the group of Northern Middle English dialects spoked in Scotland. But why?

Make the effort to read "Changes" from start to finish to discover the truth.

Changes

As Albanactus puts it: "Sidelining the Scot from Scottish history is purely the natural product of the ascendency of the Anglo-Scot and his culture in the earlier modern period, and any realistically orientated mind would expect such a historiographical occurrence."
Also, in reply to a poster: "...you are buying so willingly and naively a set of increasingly defunct and discredited "Germanicist" historical interpretations/distortions which marginalize the Gael from Scottish history...Scottish history has been subject to unconscious (or conscious, who knows) distortion from Anglo-Scottish writers wishing firstly to find a place in the conceptualization of Scottish identity, secondly to alienate the ethnic Scot (usurping the name and labelling him "Irish"), thirdly to be dissociated from the barbarous and catholic (and Jacobite!) "Irish", and finally to make their history conform as closely as possible to the model of England; and that these writers have by and large monopolized Scottish historiography with a few exceptions from Fordun to Alexander Grant...".

In any case, my post was addressed primarily to the descendant of a Ballachulish native, almost certainly a Gael. Let`s hope that mgraeme, and all foreign-born seekers after the truth read "Changes".

[ScotSites]

Originally Posted by Hugh2

ScotSites -

What are you on about?
Did you or did you not write the following in "Scotland from the Roadside - a journey round Scotland"?

"...on to the remoteness of Argyll, where the early settlers from Ireland, known to the Romans as the Scotti, ultimately gave Scotland its name, and into the Highlands which to many defines Scotland: the Highlanders with their clans living in their glens with a culture and language so different to their lowland cousins!" Yes or no? If not, who did?

Yes I did write that and see nothing wrong with it. The name Scotland is derived from the Scotti of Ireland; however I do see that somewhere along the line I have missed out the word historically as we certainly don't have Gaelic speaking clans roaming the Highlands today! However, to some*, Scotland is defined by the Highlands and the Gaelic language and culture. (* including certain numpties that attempt to pass themselves off as historians, not naming any names but I am sure there are a few who will know which American mother and son I am referring to! )

The fact remains that you don't have to be a Gaelic speaker to be Scottish and nobody needs to read 11 pages of arguements and counter-arguements put forward in Changes to know that! In fact I don't think anyone should waste their time reading through that topic as by the end of it you'll either be completely bored or your opinion won't have changed at all!

[Croi Sasanach]

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth when some of you think Gaelic is the 'proper' Scottish language, Gaelic is an invader language just like English.. the Brythonic and Pictish languages were in wide use long before Gaelic.

[mikeyBoab]

Exactly. And before that it was ebonics.

[Croi Sasanach]

Originally Posted by mikeyBoab

Exactly. And before that it was ebonics.

And before that it was Mackem... gods own lang'edge, eh ?

[mikeyBoab]

And before that . . . Scouse.