Clanship

[clanmuir]

Genuine interest is always welcome.
As for the views of your Uncle or where his origins lie - he is most likely correct.
There is and has always been a very close link between the Muirs and the Campbells.
There are also a number of Larger Clans who have claimed Muir as a sept - and for many centuries it is true. There will always be people with our surname or a derivative that are happy to remain with one of these other Clans, and that is thier right to do so, I have corresponded with many and will continue to do so as they also have an active interest in the History of the Muirs.
My task and those of our friends and members is not to enforce our views on others, simply to provide information to those who ask about an aspect of our history and heritage that was for many years forgotten.
I 'waded in' to this forum in response to a request from one of our members, a very dear friend who was valiantly trying to defend our name.
I read some previous posts and found most of the threads innaccurate or outdated - I was attempting to correct those innaccuracies.
Your reference to your comments, no I was not particualrly directing those to you - I was not taking particular note of who said what. I did mention Marhar as this gentleman was inaccurate and I believe I explained that in another post.<http://www.scotland.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=15455> Are we forgetting what a clan was/is?.
I think forums are wonderful places on the whole, and yes, personal opinions should be encouraged - but I would hope that works both ways.
In terms of showing respect to those who give thier time freely for the benefit of others, I have the utmost respect for anyone who does this - perhaps we could ask for the same courtesy from you?

[Polwarth]

QUOTE think forums are wonderful places on the whole, and yes, personal opinions should be encouraged - but I would hope that works both ways.
In terms of showing respect to those who give thier time freely for the benefit of others, I have the utmost respect for anyone who does this - perhaps we could ask for the same courtesy from you? UNQUOTE

Errrrm, as I stated before, I have never been less than polite to you or any of the Clan Muir folk posting here.... I am courteous by nature, you on the other hand, appear to want to be confrontational. I think I also said in my first para that I was glad to see that people took such an interest in their heritage - surely that was giving 'respect'?

QUOTE I 'waded in' to this forum in response to a request from one of our members, a very dear friend who was valiantly trying to defend our name.UNQUOTE

As I stated before, I was genuinely interested in learning about your clan society and, indeed to find out that there was a clan Muir.... I was not asking anyone to 'valiantly defend' your name. I am a native Scot who was genuinely puzzled at the claims being made and perhaps stupidly, asked for clarification. However, due in part to your attitude, I shan't bother to try to find out anything more.

Mr Moore, however, has been unfailing polite in his replies to my admittedly persistent questions.

[skywalker01]

Ello Polwarth;
I have to say that I am unfailingly intrested in your Muir family members, and for the 65 year old gentalman; Mr Muir,I am glad you are happy where you are,but even the campbell histories of the septs states"The inclusion of the name mure/muir/moore among Campbell septs is perhaps rather optimistic". Sure when the Last Chief of the Name(muir)died with out an heir the Clan fragminted and some went and became septs of others and if the wish to remain such I wish them well. Me I am "more" than happy to be a member of Clan Muir and a member of both the North American and Scotland Miur Societies and to Have the Position and authority to represent and defend "MY" Clan. Polwarth if eny of your clan Muir relitives or you are intrested in Clann Muir ,please tell them of the web sites for Clan Muir N.A. and the Clan Muir Scotland. And if eny one else has an opinion of when a clan is a Clan, I want to hear it(my ears are burning already). My friend who posted here is as abdamit as I am that we are a legimate clan and has burned up the phone lines with The LLC on this so can defend this position. Mr POlwarth I enjoy this forum, it is interesting and hopefully will na cause no Clan wars.

We need to fight the Britts/welch/irish ect,ect and not our selves, Scotland for ever.

[Celyn]

Originally posted by skywalker01
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We need to fight the Britts/welch/irish ect,ect and not our selves, Scotland for ever.

Oh no, let's not, please. In any case, I think I missed the news when Scotland ceased to be a consitutent part of Britain.

[skywalker01]

Welcome Celyn;
I did not mean an actual brawl,even though I have been made to understand by the history I have read that scotsmen and women enjoy a good fight, "verbally"only mabey but the enemie has offt times been the "english". Each family/Clan joined or not at their pleasure. I was speaking metaforicaly(I can't spell either). Lets keep this one going ,and mabey we all can learn something and become closer by learning our differences. some times preceptions off others help us become better.

God bless scotland

[Polwarth]

Originally posted by skywalker01
Ello Polwarth;
I have to say that I am unfailingly intrested in your Muir family members, and for the 65 year old gentalman; Mr Muir,I am glad you are happy where you are,but even the campbell histories of the septs states"The inclusion of the name mure/muir/moore among Campbell septs is perhaps rather optimistic". Sure when the Last Chief of the Name(muir)died with out an heir the Clan fragminted and some went and became septs of others and if the wish to remain such I wish them well. Me I am "more" than happy to be a member of Clan Muir and a member of both the North American and Scotland Miur Societies and to Have the Position and authority to represent and defend "MY" Clan. Polwarth if eny of your clan Muir relitives or you are intrested in Clann Muir ,please tell them of the web sites for Clan Muir N.A. and the Clan Muir Scotland. And if eny one else has an opinion of when a clan is a Clan, I want to hear it(my ears are burning already). My friend who posted here is as abdamit as I am that we are a legimate clan and has burned up the phone lines with The LLC on this so can defend this position. Mr POlwarth I enjoy this forum, it is interesting and hopefully will na cause no Clan wars.

We need to fight the Britts/welch/irish ect,ect and not our selves, Scotland for ever.

Mr Moore
Thank you for your polite and well-intentioned (I believe) post!

My uncle is adamant that he is a Muir who is sept to Campbell, and I feel that I have no right to interfere with his family's history - it's his, not mine, I have no Muir bloodlines in my family. He wouldn't know how to access anything on a computer, but I did mention the two websites to him. Due to the antagonstic posts addressed to me, I won't be looking into your history either! But I thank you for the information you have already supplied.

BTW, I am female, so Mr Polwarth is not appropriate, although very polite

The Scots are part of Britain, our regiments serve in the British army, not the Scots army.... oh and the Welsh really like their nation spelled with an 'S'!!

As for clan wars...... naaah, I believe the clans (not clan societies!) were almost wiped out by firstly the two Jacobite rebellions and then the Clearances.... so I won't be fighting with anyone!1

[skywalker01]

I've been gone for two day's,and just reviewed your post. So sorry about the gender mistake,and I was being consilatory and not derisive.
however,my original question has not been answered.
"when is a Clan a proper Clan". "what should a Clan Chief bring to the Clan,what are the responsabilities of the Clansman or Clanswomen.


no one has given this as yet,and the decided unwillingness to accept other opinions or evidence should keep some people out of this.