Ballantine - Stewart or Campbell?

[b1b2j3]

Originally Posted by gustard

I only know to a few generations back. A "Colonel Bannatyne" with 13 children.

Would love to see it Gus. ... Bron

[gustard]

Originally Posted by b1b2j3

Would love to see it Gus. ... Bron

Yes thats right there was a millar Bannatyne - methinks James Fairie bannatynes mother Fairie - Millar or something cant remember have to look it up. Hey maybe were related !
Ill send you the geology wharn I find it !


PS I wonder if "ballantine" is connected with the old Gaulish god "bellenus" many Celtic placenames with "Bel" or "bal" in them are apparently.

[jafapete]

Hi Gustard, Bron et al.

My grandfather Bannatyne used to wear a Campbell tartan tie when on his pastoral duties as a Presbyterian elder, even though that didn't always get him the warmest reception. Having looked at the history of the Campbells I wish it wasn't so, but the Bannatynes of Bute are a Campbell Sept.

This is because Bannatyne of Kames, the head of the Bute Bannatynes, concluded a bond of manrent in 1538 in which he bound himself and his family to the Earl of Argyll (see below for text).

He signed a mutual bond with Stuart of Bute a few years later in 1547, in which each undertook to support the other against all comers with the exception of the King and the Earl of Argyll. From that point the Bannatynes are said to have been loyal to the Campbell chiefs, with Bannatyne of Kames acting as a Campbell chieftain in all but name. So there is also a link with the Stewarts, but the Campbell ties took precedence historically.

I'm not sure whether the Bannatynes of Corehouse in Larnarkshire, and Newtyle in Forfarshire - the other two main Bannatyne families - need to consider themselves tied to the Campbells. Perhaps they have an out.

Trust this clarifies things.

Also, could Gus answer my message on the genforum Bannatyne site? I have a copy of a 1928 letter from one of his distinguished ancestors, A. Miller Bannatyne, to John Stewart Bannatyne, a Glasgow solicitor and cousin of my grandfathers. He claims to be "now the direct lineal descendant of Alexander Bannatyne of Kerrylamont who was killed at Flodden and was the second son of Kames." He also refers to one of his uncles "some little time ago" having made "considerable investigation" into the Kerrylamont and Kames trees. I'd like to know what happened to the notes.

Cheers Peter


Extracted from Collectanea de Rebus Albanicis: Consisting of Original Papers and Documents Relating to the History of the Highlands and Islands of Scotland (ed. by the Iona Club) (Edinburgh, Thomas G. Steveson, 1847).
Bond, or Letter of Maintenance, by Archibald, Fourth Earl of Argyll, to Ninian Bannatyne of Kames, 1538 (Communicated by the late Sir William Macleod Bannatyne from the original)

Be it kend till all men be thir present letters, us, Archibald Erle of Ergyle, to be bundin and oblist, Lykeas we bindis and oblissis us and our airis and successouris, to Niniane Bennachtin of the Cammis, and till his airis hys sorneim, freindis and servandis, to manteyne, supple, and defend thame in all materis thay haif ado, baith in the Hieland and Lawland; And attour we, the said Erle, oblicis us and our airis to tak the said Niniane, his airis, kyn, freindis, and servandis, thair afauld part in all materis thay haif ado, als weill as we will do for ony utheris kynnismen or servandis within our Erledome of Ergill, and sall manteyne and defend thame, alsweill as ane maister suld do for his servandis; and thairfoir the said Niniane bindis and oblicis himself and his airis, &ca to tak the said Erle and his airis pairt againis all men leifand, the kingis grace allanerlie accepit; and the foresaid Niniane and his airis gyffis to the said Erle and to his airis thair calpis [the calp is an acknowledgement paid on the death of a vassal or clansman to his superior or chief], in takyne of manrent, and for to be their gude Lord and Maister, [to] manteyne thame ay qhem thay charge the said Archibald Erle of Ergyle. Dated at Inverary, 14 April 1538, before these witnesses, Colyn Campbell of Ardkinlass, Dougal Campbell his brother, Gillespick McAllaster McEvir, and Duncan McCharlie of Innisteinzie.

[Fellwalker]

Have just come onto this thread so somewhat behind.

I am a Ballantyne and my known ancestors came from Lanarkshire until the 1891 census when they were in Renfrewshire

My father used to say that he was affiliated to the Stuarts of Bute and rhe Campbells of Argyll--he spelt Stuart as written and not as Stewart but I had no idea if any iof this was correct so interesting to read the posts.
The ones I have traced spelled their name as Ballantyne. However I have only been able to trace back as far as 1728 so there may have been different spellings before then
Fellwalker

[b1b2j3]

Well Gus,

You haven't been forth coming. Guess you live in New Zealand.

[b1b2j3]

[quote=jafapete;403431]Hi Gustard, Bron et al.

My grandfather Bannatyne used to wear a Campbell tartan tie when on his pastoral duties as a Presbyterian elder, even though that didn't always get him the warmest reception. Having looked at the history of the Campbells I wish it wasn't so, but the Bannatynes of Bute are a Campbell Sept.

Thanks for the information Peter. If I can invite you & the next person to my ancestry.com site, you can 'pick' your mutual Families here. Since 2004, I have had the privelige, to do my Mother (Bannatyne born Western Australia 1923) Tree. The New Zealanders & the South African Bannatyne's have their Family history all set (probably in muffin mix). Given my Bannatyne's were not military heroes, nor so educated their brains spilled out in NZ or SA.

My Family went to the USA & Canada. I still believe there is a connection with NZ. But my 'cousins' from Blackwaterfoot, Argyll, Scotland will not have any of this nonesense. Oh, well, so be it.

Bron

[b1b2j3]

Originally Posted by Fellwalker

Have just come onto this thread so somewhat behind.

I am a Ballantyne and my known ancestors came from Lanarkshire until the 1891 census when they were in Renfrewshire

My father used to say that he was affiliated to the Stuarts of Bute and rhe Campbells of Argyll--he spelt Stuart as written and not as Stewart but I had no idea if any iof this was correct so interesting to read the posts.
The ones I have traced spelled their name as Ballantyne. However I have only been able to trace back as far as 1728 so there may have been different spellings before then
Fellwalker

[quote=jafapete;403431]Hi Gustard, Bron et al.

My ancestry.com site is Stewart and Campbell Family.


I can invite you to my ancestry.com site, you can 'pick' your mutual Families here. Since 2004, I have had the privelige, to do my Mother (Bannatyne born Western Australia 1923) Tree. The New Zealanders & the South African Bannatyne's have their Family history all set (probably in muffin mix). Given my Bannatyne's were not military heroes, nor so educated their brains spilled out in NZ or SA.

My Family went to the USA & Canada. I still believe there is a connection with NZ. But my 'cousins' from Blackwaterfoot, Argyll, Scotland will not have any of this nonesense. Oh, well, so be it.

Bron

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